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basically. we'll talk to grover norquist about this in a second, but this is the way things are going to get decided now for the next four years. there's no grand bargains and stuff like that. >> that's the thinking. look, it could be or it could be that we'll continue to have these skirmishes because there are these ideological differences until it's finally resolved because these two parties are struggling over philosophy and eventually it will be resolved, but until that time, yes, this is what we're looking at for a while. >> hdoes that get resolved, though? >> once the economy recovers and we're clearly out of recession, maybe the anxiety about debt and deficit is lessened or perhaps we get the debt and deficit under control and that makes everybody a bit more optimistic. we've now resolved the tax struggle to some extent. personal income tax is resolved a little bit. so you tackle these one at a time. that might be the way or it might be that the economy picks up. >> right. >> anderson, if i could just add to what jessica is saying, it seems as though a big reason why republicans in th
anything. they have stuck with their grover norquist position they're not going it raise taxes on anybody. when the whole plan "b" thing went up, they passed some spending stuff barely and when we were supposed to deal with the tax stuff at a million they couldn't even bring it up for a vote. i have no idea what mitch mcconnell is talking about. it seems to be nothing more than political posturing, but i want to say nobody is trying to put this on john boehner. it's on boehner. he's the speaker, and so it's not of a political bringsmanship or gamesmanship. it's the fact. >> it seems the strategy here, boehner obviously kind of said and i think he's been called out for this, said it's up to the president and the senate. i give up, we're leaving town. i guess now they're going to come back sunday, as if that's going to create some sense of urgency. what strikes me is the message that continues to come forward is the american people are going to -- believe that the president and democrats are showing real leadership and they will blame the republicans if this deal goes south, and yet when yo
pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner tput tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? >> the fiscal cliff is a big deal because it's kind of like a vampire and garlic. once you go over the cliff, tax rate go up so much, anything is a tax cut beyond nat. the thing is if you're actually raising taxes from a current policy tax line, you would violate his pledge, but once they go up automatically, cutti
grover norquist and a lot of people really don't like him. you think grover has the right idea. you have colleague es in the senate, in the house of representatives. we have talked about this endlessly for many months and we both sort of went into the last few days thinking they'll get a deal, they'll do it. it will increase some tacks on the rich and we'll figure out a number. i think both of us put forward it would be $500,000, the threshold. were we wrong or what? >> well, you know, ali, i love you, but i don't want to spend new year's eve with you and we may be doing that. i don't know. look, i still think -- i have been saying this for the last three weeks, there's going to be a deal at the 11th hour. now i'm not quite as confident as i was 24 hours ago, but, you know, as you and i have talked about many times, there's some deep philosophical disagreements here about taxes, about how much the government should be spending. i listened to the gentleman who said president obama won the election so he should get his way, but the republicans say, look, we won the house. i do want to see
on and there are you, grover norquist, a very bright guy still resolutely saying a pledge is a pledge is a pledge, it cannot be broken when many of your own party are now saying you know, what it doesn't make sense to have this irresolute position anymore. >> two things, the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it -- shame on him as the "new york sun" says tonight. i hope his wife understands commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> whoa, hang on, hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> hey furks think a commitment is not for as long as you make it it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he signed it is as long as you're in congress you will reign in spending and reform government, not raise taxes. it not for 500 years or two generations. it's only as long as you're in the house or the senate. if he stayed too long, that's his problem. but you don't tell the bank, other, the mortgage, wasn't that long time ago? if you make a commitment, you keep it. >> coming up,
's the day after the cliff deal because it came at 11:59 last night. >> sure did. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at what the reason was the democrats opposed those 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. it's because they weren't paid for. they blew a massive hole in the deficit, along with the two wars that weren't paid for and the medicare part d drug plan, which was a good thing but was not paid for. we need to go back to pay as you go rules. the republicans when they came in and took the majority back got rid of that requirement. we're for responsible tax cuts that help the middle class. we're not for and neither were the american people as they said in th
the right has been captured by antitax interest by grover norquist, by people who won't come to the table and have a reasonable conversation about modest tax increases in relationship to modest cuts in spending where the majority of american people are. and so -- >> alexis, let's be honest. >> because the house is acting like bunch of kids. >> the president is backtracking on his deal because all he's concerned about doing is breaking house republicans on this issue, because he wants to get his agenda through before the 2014 election and he feels the best way to do this is make house republicans and john boehner who is now the least popular congressional leader look like bad guys. it's political heater and not good governance. >> heather: we appreciate you joining us. we'll see what happens. >> thank you. >> kelly: preparations are underway for the new year's eve celebration in times square. crews are hard at work putting the finishing touches on some old traditions and a few new ones. a special inscription on this year's ball is just one feature that organizers say will make this new yea
're listening to grover norquist and unfortunately the tea party has been distorted. i took a little opportunity today to read about the historic i think 1773 when the tea partiers, boston tea partiers threw tea into the boston harbor. they were fighting for the colonies, for our independence, fighting for america. what are the tea party advocates fighting for now, that's not america. to see our economy troubled by the fact that the markets are nervous about going over this slippery slope. if that doesn't touch your heart on middle class americans seeing their tax bill go up enormously or $109 billion in immediate cuts in places where we probably can't cut. we cut $1.2 trillion and if i can say this one point, can you believe it on this day as we are looking for a solution someone has come up with the idea, i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you give me another $1.2 trillion in cuts in medicare. let's stop the one upsmanship. i'm ready to vote on sunday to make it work and to make it work with a compromise. let's come tocchet and we can do this job. >> all right. you heard it here. t
grover norquist taxes, they hate them, that is not true. to a degree that kind of disturbs me, actually, the two parties mostly agree on keeping the bush tax cuts. up to $250,000 in income, which is a lot of income. republicans and democrats want to keep all the bush tax cuts. that's way more than 80% of all the bush tax cuts. they agree on all of that, no argument. where they disagree is democrats want to raise taxes on any income over 250,000. and they'll accept at this point 400,000. and republicans, though, this is what people don't always know, republicans want to raise taxes too, they want to raise them on poor people. they want to let the stimulus tax cuts expire. those are tax cuts that are helping poor and middle tax cuts. a family may get $60,000 will see a tax increase of almost $1,000. the white house opposes that tax increase. that is the shape of the disagreement on taxes. democrats want to raise them on the rich, republicans want to raise them on the poor. that is where the fight is happen i happening number four. and i cannot emphasize this enough. it's important to say
the president and boehner, both times boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any taxes for revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president biden and cantor. he walked out of it. he's the majority leader in the house. we had this supercommittee and they were doing good things. good things. dealing with entitlements and revenues and a week before they were to report, by virtue of a statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the supercommittee. we're not going to do anything with revenues. >> okay. i think that's a good place to end this. what you're hearing is the history of what has happened to bring us to this point. i want to bring in our congressional correspondent dana bash. dana, i was just sitting here imagining someone turning on their tv thinking, what a these people talking about? and i think i would sort of boil it down to this. when they are talking on the floor, that's never a good sign. they should be talking in a back room. they have gotten nowhere. we are where we are and nobody has agreed on
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